< > Showing 1-2 of 2 comments . I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. Most of the time it will work just fine, take off and landing. This could also be very useful for certain. Finally hammer out the last of the telescope work, it's amazing how much effort you have to put in just to get the telescope up and running. The best resource I’ve found is the actual ingame overlay. Or gate on top of th screen can. It causes the mechanized doors to remain open as the regolith falls down and then closes after 4 seconds to let the robominers and scanners get to work. I've used this type of setup multiple times without issue before, and I do use multiple. Gate 3 - yet another Filter Gate (42 seconds). Run a liquid pipe behind and crack open a pipe to get a drop of water on the airflow tile. #4. But now with Spaced Out dlc there is no such device no more. Space scanners cannot reliably detect incoming rockets because bunker doors have to be closed during meteor showers to protect the space scanners which results in 0% scan quality. Once it turns off, the bunker doors close and everything resets. Automation is an important part of almost any base in Oxygen not Included. Anyone has any ideas how to detect incoming rocket, so I could open bunker door before it lands?Oxygen Not Included is a space colony simulation game where you oversee your Duplicants (aka, lovable 3D printed clones) as they attempt to overcome the harsh conditions of deep space. Big thanks for LT. place drywall (1 layer tall) and let water (polluted for example) drip there. My bunker doors for regolith collection are 3 tiles from the red zone. Oxygen Not Included. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 2 tiles of light blocked does make each panel take a hit, so I opted for something tileable to keep it to 1. 50 seconds after the meteor shower starts 1 scanner turns back on to detect the end of the meteor shower. Help with Space Scanner/Bunker Door setup. Explore all the Oni element, building, plant, seed, critter, egg. someone was using sr gates in their automation of bunker doors and they were still having problems. Precursor to construction of all other Rocket modules. You set up two lines of. This is how long the mechanized doors will remain closed. Something about meteors and bunker doors is causing the problem. The amount of warning the system receives does not give enough time to open a set of Bunker Doors before the Rocket comes in for the landing, meaning that the Bunker Doors and probably the Gantries will be Broken. First time opening the bunker doors from the left to center line of the map and the left most bunker door isn't responding to the automation signal to open. Oxygen Not Included [Oxygen Not Included] - General Discussion. Meteor Shower is a regular event that happens in the Space Biome. #3. i have a couple rockets that i would like to consistently go back to the same planets over and over due to the materials that are there. Hi. Then finally the last piece can be the actual launch signal, which can be again a filter and just add another 5 seconds. When the signal is active, the bunker doors open and the gantry retracts. Anyone has any ideas how to detect incoming rocket, so I could open bunker door before it lands?The following is a simply way to automate your incubators. . Category: classification of the building. All gates are set to 3 seconds. . Be aware that incoming rocket detection is unreliable (if your scanners are blocked by bunker doors due to meteor shower then you will not detect the rocket in time to open the doors), and you will lose bunker doors. I'm a new-ish player to ONI, just launched my first few rockets, (successfully) and i'm working on the first space research. However, a break in meteor showers detected by the scanner array should also open bunker doors. Meteor Shower is a regular event that happens in the Space Biome. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast Related Topics Oxygen Not Included. But otherwise, the door certainly could retain use for closed silos if you want to keep the gas from drifting off. Is there a way to automate gantries so they automatically extend when a spaceship lands? It's irritating having to order them to extend manually. The input goes directly to the bunker doors since they take the longest to open (if unpowered). It can be used anywhere that light levels might inform your setup: everything from opening/closing surface bunker doors for solar panels, to keeping your colony's beach chairs nice and sunny. Then rebuild the pipe and the pipeline will now cool the miners. Deep inside an alien space rock your industrious crew will need to master science, overcome strange new lifeforms, and harness incredible space tech to survive, and possibly, thrive. If you hover over the quality it will say how many seconds in advance it will detect the meteors. Only Bunker Door,. This assures that every scanner will pick up the meteor showers before the bunker doors close and avoids the unwanted cycling behavior. When one or the other turns on, the signals goes out. Because it's a bunker door, I figure it might not be a bug, and there's something I'm missing. The other is automated to twitch open and closed with a circuit automation. But now with Spaced Out dlc there is no such device no more. Or is it just a property of solid booster ?) 2. Robo-miners dig out the falling resources when the meteor shower is over. Premium Powerups Explore Gaming. This caused my bunkers to open or close at the wrong time, destroying my space set up on multiple occasions until I. But sometimes the Rocket's Bunker Door was missing so I lost a lot of hot steam to the space. bunker door) on the farthest-left square possible, above the neutronium. I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. I am not a pro of the automation in particular the "gates", i recently started to learn how the not gat, buffer gate and filter gate works. You also need a row of mesh tiles above the solar panels to catch the hot. This requires that I cool the robominers. Never had a bunker door open late. This is the biggest issue. So, my latest colony (I don't have the DLC) since the DLC came out and I've just gotten my scanner network setup. I'm having an issue with the wiring for my bunker doors. H. More advanced structures may be built after completion of the appropriate research at the Research Station, Super Computer and Virtual Planetarium . I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. These doors are not connected to any power grid, only to an automation grid. I thought this might be because: - They are being hit by a meteor (They are not, I watched during a meteor shower and they disappeared without being hit) - They are over-heating (I would expect to get an. To figure out how many batteries you need take the number of doors you have: One door draws 120 watts for at most 45 seconds (when continuously powered) wiki. The simplest and most useful automation wire use is connecting your generators to a smart battery. The Peace Season output is just an override that tells the bunker doors that it is safe to remain open. The doors underneath are open 99. Rocket & Gantry automation is quite straight forward now. This is the easiest. All Meteors falling also produce a lot of Carbon Dioxide, it can be harvested, but practicality is dubious. After 140 seconds the doors will open to let light pass through. Put a gas pump and an atmo sensor in the space. Not too thrilled by that. But now with Spaced Out dlc there is no such device no more. may be this is another old problem: if you save the game at the moment when the door started to open but has not yet fully opened, then when you load the game, this door will start to open from the very beginning, and it may not have. The pressure sensor and liquid sensors are there for manually setting the signals, to either open the crusher doors or open & close the bunker doors. So, my latest colony (I don't have the DLC) since the DLC came out and I've just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ my scanner network setup. I have scanners setup to detect incoming roids and when they pass doors open for autominers to clear the path. Becoming a bit frustrated with the atomated regolith removal. A Screenshot of Oxygen Not Included. Set up a bank of jumbo batteries to store power for when the bunker doors operate. Automatically links up to Rocket Ports built to either side of the platform. Then extend that wire from the first gantry through a combo included 1 buffer and 1 filter both set to 1. Originally posted by zoarionprime: You dont need to cool them or the surface. 2. As it's set up, each solar panel has 1 tile of light blocked, which doesn't significantly impact efficiency. Whittaker Oct 7, 2018 @ 1:05pm. I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. Anyone has any ideas how to detect incoming rocket, so I could open bunker door before it lands?I turned the switch back to red signal and now the automation signal from the rocket is green. Your space scanners all work with each other to detect all incoming events with the same reliability. 2. So, my latest colony (I don't have the DLC) since the DLC came out and I've just gotten my scanner network setup. Critters have very little space to move (Improving FPS) , and new critters are added to the ranch using my 'Mechanical Incubation and Delivery System'. #5. Can anyone tell me what to do to? I'm a bit lost with the automation still. From opening Bunker Doors to turning off Coal Generators, it can help protect a base and. This is the most basic automaton for rocket i know. Bunker doors and tiles are the only things which withstand meteors. The OR Gate will send a signal to open the door and (with a NOT Gate) retracts the gantry. Last video I got done before holidays, next video will be monday. At the end of a shower, the bunker doors will open and the crusher doors will continue to operate for a short time, after which they will stop, allowing the scanners to resume scanning. After way to much clean up I can finally tackle the space biome at a reasonable speed. Power: how much power the building requires or produces. If you are happy with your scan network quality, you could add a 0% quality space scanner (literally put it anywhere) to control your doors for a returning rocket. Oxygen Not Included. The left Not gate & filter controls power to my other 5 scanners, when there is a shower, it switches them off. Join. Oxygen Not Included [Oxygen Not Included] - General Discussion ; Rockets vs Bunker Doors Rockets vs Bunker Doors. I’m a simple man. 3. A bit of regolith falls on the auto-miners, cooling them. > Added a not-gate from the bunker doors, which I hooked up to the gantry(s) > Added a filter gate for delayed start between bunker doors and command capsule input I still need to do the landing automation, hooking up radar dishes to the bunker doors/rockets and making sure the gantry(s) are not extended on approachHey guys, I am having some problems with the space scanners and the bunker door. Automation Design 101: Designing Logic Systems for Automation. Thermo sensors for coolant is at 251 C for Hydrogen and 201 C for oxygen. Second filter from right is the delay for bunker doors to open after a shower and waiting for regolith to drop. The best (based on personal opinion) method is probably the door munchers. The Robo-Miner is rarely used to dig out new areas of the asteroid, but rather to. There seems to be no way of stopping the rocket from melting stuff. Robominers then dig it away. When a door goes from 'on' (open) to 'off' (closed), it immediately crushes whatever is inside the door. How do you protect the wiring in your bunker gate? I keep having cases where the automation and power lines get broken and I have to repair them. That was not evident from the video. So, my latest colony (I don't have the DLC) since the DLC came out and I've just gotten my scanner network setup. When the rocket lands it will open the door and stop the pump again. It also persists with my mods disabled. The more complex non-cheaty way is to build a row of bunker doors above it, with a row of mesh tiles about 8to10 rows under the doors. Using algae in Terrariums or Deoxydizers makes for one of the best early. 3) the 2 scanners do not need to be connected (in fact you don't want to have them on the same automation circuit because they are scanning for independent events) but having them powered increases the overall network quality, which should give you enough minimum warning time to automatically shut the bunker doors. It produces, power , petroleum and meat while also getting rid of excess CO2. The doors underneath the auto-miners close for a second when the bunker doors finish opening. (same on closing) 1st pic shows some doors have already opened and some are opening and some just start to open. The double doors seem to actually delete regolith at a substantial rate. However, your rockets don't get hit by meteors, Build bunker tiles underneath your rockets, and then maybe a steam chamber to regenerate the heat energy from rocket engines. g. Is there a way to automate gantries so they automatically extend when a spaceship lands? It's irritating having to order them to extend manually. e. 3) the 2 scanners do not need to be connected (in fact you don't want to have them on the same automation circuit because they are scanning for independent events) but having them powered increases the overall network quality, which should give you enough minimum warning time to automatically shut the bunker doors. Anyone has any ideas how to detect incoming rocket, so I could open bunker door before it lands?So, my latest colony (I don't have the DLC) since the DLC came out and I've just gotten my scanner network setup. - 1st filter gate is set to 140 seconds. Personally, I use a much simpler solution. Automation is a not gate to the bunker doors to auto close when a meteor shower is imminent, with the a not gate & 75s filter gate connected between the bunker door. chernobyl moments). Build the base out of bunker tiles. Start a new game, dig & build ladders to the upper-left corner of the map, and place something with an automation port (e. This is the biggest issue. Hook it up to a not gate then the shutoff. Oxygen Not Included [Oxygen Not Included] - General Discussion ; Mechanized Airlock Science Mechanized Airlock Science. Find relations between elements, information and attributes. While building them, well your stairs will get damaged, disable autorepair and live with it. The old behavior was. , Not gate, atmo pressure > 0, oxygen sensor). Did some some liquid oxygen refueling automation based on RS-trigger counter schema. -- Protect your Colony from Meteors with the Door Crusher Design!Deletes the Regolith, Automated, & PowerlessStill have to power the Bunker Doors & Space Scanne. Power: how much power the building requires or produces. 3) the scanner logic is different: green - yes there are meteors. You first need to protect the breach between underground and space, and then the telescope. In addition to the conditions above, the rocket will not take off if there are solid blocks or buildings obstructing its flight path, such as. Breached into surface for a first time yesterday. Bunker door openes in 38s, so in such case you have about 20% chance that door will open too late. Personally, I automate the bunker doors. + as a bonus this things. The input goes directly to the bunker doors since they take the longest to open (if unpowered). This means (if you. You need a little over 40 seconds for the bunker doors to close completely. You want to have 1 vacuumtile. This section lists all. How do you protect the wiring in your bunker gate? I keep having cases where the automation and power lines get broken and I have to repair them. Now I'm looking for permanent solution of my new space problems. I almost died multiple times to this before I realized what was happening. Buffer 1 : set to 20 secondes -> time for open/close the doors that auto-dig the regolith. Community for the space-colony simulation game Oxygen Not Included, developed by Klei. Help with comprehending buffer and filter gates. An Or gate can literally be replicated by stretching your automation wire to the two signals. I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. After which all the bunker doors open, the other 5 scanner doors close to turn them back on, and the 1st scanner doors open for a second to. ago. This is an efficient door pump, which I use to store outputs of in total 3 natural gas vents. With the bunker doors open! so if you don't want your rocket pounded with meteors during a storm while you wait to launch, the easiest thing to do is to change the destination to a planet out of reach in the star map. . But now with Spaced Out dlc there is no such device no more. Sending a Green automation signal to the Command Capsule's automation input will start the launch. Hell they even open/close faster than bunker doors. Learn how to obtain or transform a specific material. The best (based on personal opinion) method is probably the door munchers. Learn how to obtain or transform a specific material. I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. which in turn is needed to make bunker doors and tiles - the only tiles that can withstand. You can't make the cables, tiles, logic, and so on of materials that can melt, like lead, dont make all the cables/pipes out of lead, also sensors. A Sweepy Dock needs 25 kg Refined Metal to make a Sweepy. Light and Decor can pass through Pneumatic. Find relations between elements, information and attributes. Find relations between elements, information and attributes. First time opening the bunker doors from the left to center line of the map and the left most bunker door isn't responding to the automation signal to open. Not sure what their rad reduction is like -- might have a use case there. but you have to dig out any regolith above and sweep it before open bunker doors above. Bunker doors need red to close, but Space Scanner outputs green when detecting meteor showers. GUIDES NOT INCLUDED. Then build a setup of autominers and a cooling solution to clear the regolith from the mesh layer for. Put a shutoff in one spot before the bridge, and between the bridge and shutoff put an element sensor. But from time to time it seems like the wiring that goes through the bunker doors connecting. I think in general, filter and buffer. I've used this type of setup multiple times without issue before, and I do use multiple. Because of that, keeping it protected is trivial. Logic gates cost a uniform 25 kg of Refined Metal . First time opening the bunker doors from the left to center line of the map and the left most bunker door isn't responding to the automation signal to open. Francis John's space build link has never failed me and is easy to maintain. It actually triggers at the same time as the rocket begins to land. Though Bunker door can defend all the meteor attack, the rock meteor will create a few undug tiles and have to be dig by dups. Is there a way to automate gantries so they automatically extend when a spaceship lands? It's irritating having to order them to extend manually. This is not an access or priority issue. The idea is when the shower is over, all doors will open and let the. Is there a way to automate gantries so they automatically extend when a spaceship lands? It's irritating having to order them to extend manually. Use the automation output of the command module itself. I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. Category: classification of the building. First time opening the bunker doors from the left to center line of the map and the left most bunker door isn't responding to the automation signal to open. Is there a way to automate gantries so they automatically extend when a spaceship lands? It's irritating having to order them to extend manually. Decor: affects a Duplicant's Stress and their opinion of their surroundings. the miner clears exactly 4 tiles left and right, which is one bunker door. 2) green open and red close. Anyone has any ideas how to detect incoming rocket, so I could open bunker door before it lands?I've been struggling with this automation circuit for a while. 7 second and then to your second gantry. I have used ribbons to make some neat logic contraptions before with not much effort. A Sweepy will pick up any item, bottled liquids, and mop any liquids. Is there a way to automate gantries so they automatically extend when a spaceship lands? It's irritating having to order them to extend manually. The OR Gate will send a signal to open the door and (with a NOT Gate) retracts the gantry. 7 second and then to your second gantry. I'm looking to create a system that will: 1: Close bunker doors and airlocks over my space devices area when meteors are detected (done) 2: Will not open the airlocks until I specifically send a signal (need help) Right now I have my space scanners set up to close the bunkers and airlocks when meteors are detected, then open the bunkers when they. Automation wires are cheap, make them out of tungsten or out of steel in space. Thus. Bunker door cost 120W and need 38. Gate 3 - yet another Filter Gate (42 seconds). Three tiles seems to be fine for regolith collection, I don't ever see it pile up to 3 tiles high, as the doors open after a shower and drop what is there. . Hello all, I'm using a basic door pump setup with a steam generator to generate power. Is there a way to automate gantries so they automatically extend when a spaceship lands? It's irritating having to order them to extend manually. To transfer heat, there needs to be either liquid, gas or solid (blocks) in that grid, buildings, pipes, debris do not transfer heat in the vacuum. 1: The bunker door control: delay the opening of the door for 145s after a shower was detected (since we detect 200s in advance -BT - PT - ST) The sensor is a panic button to immediately close the bunker doors. Basic setup. But now with Spaced Out dlc there is no such device no more. And then some of the gear, usually auto. This is used, for example, in liquid and gas "crushers". However, you'll still get more than enough regolith from the stuff that drops as items. This is the most basic automaton for rocket i know. When they open, one layer of regolith falls, but all others stay on top of the bunker doors. The Mechanized Airlock requires Power to open and close at the faster rate. How do you protect the wiring in your bunker gate? I keep having cases where the automation and power lines get broken and I have to repair them. The Peace Season output is used to open the bunker doors, yes. The important thing here is the way my robominers are placed below the bunker doors below mechanized airlocks by using automation. ago. I have scanners setup to detect incoming roids and when they pass doors open for autominers to clear the path. Gantries can be damaged by meteors but not rockets. Category: classification of the building. You do lose the regolith of anything that falls into doors. Input 1 will be straight from the filter. Decor: affects a Duplicant's Stress and their opinion of their surroundings. It also takes some time to do its work before all doors are opened. #9. I just deconstruct the gantry and leave my astronaut permanently in the rocket and don't use bunker doors, and put the bunker tiles underneath the rocket instead of above it. The only things you need to power in this build are the Bunker Doors and the Space Scanners (at least 2). One solution could be to build your rockets on top of your bunker doors. Steel. Anyone has any ideas how to detect incoming rocket, so I could open bunker door before it lands?So, my latest colony (I don't have the DLC) since the DLC came out and I've just gotten my scanner network setup. Rocket & Gantry automation is quite straight forward now. Seal your entire rocket silo in with bunker tiles and use shipping rails to unload cargo outside the silo. This is my bunker door automation, it seems to work fine for over 1000 cycles. The game tells me that they will detect incoming objects 167s to 200s before they arrive. Personally, I automate the bunker doors. . Once the battery depletes to a certain level it will send a signal to the generators to turn back on. Bunker Door is a slow, double-and-a-half-sized airlock, that can be controlled with Automation signal, but cannot be used by dupes manually. Does anyone know how to prevent that without a water clock or similar over engineering. Thanks. Add a sensor to 2 two bunker doors to open them manually. r/Oxygennotincluded. Stick them high up under 1x bunker door with a double airlock door-floor automated to get rid of meteor debris. The Peace Season output is just an. Opening doors on time, for returning rockets, during meteor showers, does not work. Oxygen Not Included [Oxygen Not Included] - General Discussion ; Opening bunker doors, for rockets, during meteor showers. Does anyone know how to prevent that without a water clock or similar over engineering. (assuming scanner is set to your rocket) 1: Connect scanner direct to the bunker doors and to a "NOT gate" leading to your gantries. I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. Thermal Conductivity is the property of a material that determines how quickly it heats or cools as it comes into contact with objects of different temperatures. I can think of 3 reasons why door were not opened: 1. Storage Capacity: how much weight can be stored inside the building. You will have to dig out the regolith after each shower. The door will open and the fog will clearLemesplain • 2 yr. Create your station with a regolith protection (glass roof + automining). Finally hammer out the last of the telescope work, it's amazing how much effort you have to put in just to get the telescope up and running. It can also control Duplicant movement by acting as a one-way door, or by blocking specific dupes from passing. . Can anyone tell me what to do to? I'm a bit lost with the automation still. First time opening the bunker doors from the left to center line of the map and the left most bunker door isn't responding to the automation signal to open. Anyone has any ideas how to detect incoming rocket, so I could open bunker door before it lands?I've never had steel melt from a launch, but iron automation wires can, so you need to use something the melts at a higher temperature. Wire run inside a wall or closed bunker door doesn't seem to be affected as far as I can tell. First time opening the bunker doors from the left to center line of the map and the left most bunker door isn't responding to the automation signal to open. My space sensors are detecting meteor showers, and closing my bunker doors just fine. Regardless of the scan quality, all scanners will all send the "meteor shower ended" signal at the same time. Price history Charts App info Packages 7 DLCs 1 Depots 7 Configuration Cloud saves Achievements. My scanners detected the meteors quick enough and my bunker doors all closed, but by the end of the event my power and automation wires for the bunker doors get destroyed. Practical methods to automate door pumps and bunker doors in ONI. I have the Space Scanner(s) at the very top of the map, just under the Bunker Doors, sitting on Airlock doors. Hi. They open faster than unpowered airlocks and are useful to limit the movement of Dupes and Critters, so they stay in their preferred Biome or Stable, and to designate boundaries of morale-boosting rooms that dupes can cross. Posted February 14, 2019. Automation has been foreign to me for the most part. Like. Use 2 doors with a space between them. (But you can get by without it. The Robo-Miner cannot dig itself out when entombed. I've used this type of setup multiple times without issue before, and I do use multiple. A complete material, item, creature handbook and crafting guide for Oxygen Not Included. Uses Water to filter Carbon Dioxide from the air. In my experience, deconstructing the bunker. Critters have very little space to move (Improving FPS) , and new critters are added to the ranch using my 'Mechanical Incubation and Delivery System'. Hi. If you build the bunker doors at the edge of space, you only need a 2 cell gap between the bunker doors and the mechanized airlocks. I wait 20 seconds until they are half closed. That way either retracting or expanding, second gantry. I have tried before not powering bunker doors, thinking with 100% scan quality, I would be able to close them in time. The biggest issue is that the steam engine will not accept steam if it is entombed. Building can be used by duplicants to transform elements, produce power or perform new tasks. I did not test if it's a square area or a circular one. 2 - there are two conditions where I want to activate the bus. Hi there,. However, like already mentioned, the bunker doors will sometimes just not close or close really slowly off screen so sadly that is not an option. Storage Capacity: how much weight can be stored inside the building. Just a filter and a Not gate (bottom right with atmo sensor in middle). " DATABASE. Even the goddamn foundation from insulated obsidian melts under either the petroleum of. I know there was such a device Space scanner long time ago, which could determine when the rocket is nearby, then you could switch bunker doors to open. When the bunker door automation signal kicks in it disconnects the battery from the power supply. Login Store. It will collect up to 10kg of the material it. Battle-tested for 500 cycles. Just leave about 40 seconds to close the doors in time (I think). Hi. Is there a way to prevent my solid booster from destroying most of my bunker door automation ? (A single steam/petroleum engine doesn´t seem to have this drawback. I have scanners setup to detect incoming roids and when they pass doors open for autominers to clear the path. 2 seconds until meteors were detected. Set the atmo sensor to above 0 grams and it will trigger the pump whenever the doors are opened and continue. It stays on, and everything starts working. Hi. Provide power and oxygen to the telescope. It is not a waste of time if your goal is to maximize solar panels power output. This is making true automation impossible. The exhaust is super hot and can melt steel power and automation wires. For a practical example, maybe you cover the whole atmosphere in bunker doors. They're linked to my bunker doors, which cover all the area of my asteroid. Pneumatic Doors enclose rooms without blocking the flow of Gases or Liquids. 2s filter - the memory gate open and close the door after 2 seconds have passed. Steel is required to build all Rocket (incl. I've tried searching for this, but things like "oxygen not included rocket tutorial" end up with pages that assume you know everything about building and launching rockets, but have some question about range and fuel tanks or something.